Zachary Keeting and Christopher Joy talk with artist Helen O'Leary at her exhibition Delicate Negotiations, on view at Lesley Heller Workspace, New York, through October 18, 2015.

O'Leary remarks: "I have a full history of painters in my head that I'm thinking about… and it's my way of coming to that language through a very very different structure, that's to do with my own life, to do with my own system, to do with my own failure. I think of big, heroic paintings a lot and then I think of my way of getting there, which is through mostly revision, small movements, and failure."